{"id":887,"date":"2023-08-23T12:13:30","date_gmt":"2023-08-23T10:13:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/techleap-design.nl\/techleap\/?p=887"},"modified":"2023-12-21T15:48:01","modified_gmt":"2023-12-21T14:48:01","slug":"from-a-submarine-engineer-to-a-successful-ceo-how-sid-sijbrandij-redefined","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/techleap.nl\/blog\/from-a-submarine-engineer-to-a-successful-ceo-how-sid-sijbrandij-redefined\/","title":{"rendered":"From a submarine engineer to a successful CEO: How Sid Sijbrandij redefined the world of SaaS with GitLab"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-lkcgd8fl-9ed45aed6c88a87bfe3ef6d3c2f9e554\">\n.avia-section.av-lkcgd8fl-9ed45aed6c88a87bfe3ef6d3c2f9e554{\nbackground-color:#ffffff;\nbackground-image:unset;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div id='header-blog'  class='avia-section av-lkcgd8fl-9ed45aed6c88a87bfe3ef6d3c2f9e554 alternate_color avia-section-default avia-no-border-styling  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class=\"av-post-metadata-content av-post-metadata-meta-content\"><span class=\"av-post-metadata-content av-post-metadata-modified\"><span class=\"av-post-metadata-modified-date\" >December 21, 2023<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div><\/div><br \/>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-lkcefi62-fe87b695fad5313a0708d6e5f90dd2f3\">\n#top .av-special-heading.av-lkcefi62-fe87b695fad5313a0708d6e5f90dd2f3{\npadding-bottom:10px;\n}\nbody .av-special-heading.av-lkcefi62-fe87b695fad5313a0708d6e5f90dd2f3 .av-special-heading-tag .heading-char{\nfont-size:25px;\n}\n.av-special-heading.av-lkcefi62-fe87b695fad5313a0708d6e5f90dd2f3 .av-subheading{\nfont-size:15px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='av-special-heading av-lkcefi62-fe87b695fad5313a0708d6e5f90dd2f3 av-special-heading-h1 blockquote modern-quote  avia-builder-el-3  el_after_av_post_metadata  avia-builder-el-last '><h1 class='av-special-heading-tag'  itemprop=\"headline\"  >From a submarine engineer to a successful CEO: How Sid Sijbrandij redefined the world of SaaS with GitLab<\/h1><div class=\"special-heading-border\"><div class=\"special-heading-inner-border\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/p><\/div><div class='av-flex-placeholder'><\/div><div  class='flex_column av-6k2db-7cad7babb1d6822dc12540cfec84ef27 av_one_half  avia-builder-el-4  el_after_av_one_half  avia-builder-el-last  flex_column_table_cell av-equal-height-column av-align-middle  '     ><style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-llnh9t4h-7efab81a3e08d0fd0fd0144e6516db86\">\n.avia-image-container.av-llnh9t4h-7efab81a3e08d0fd0fd0144e6516db86 img.avia_image{\nbox-shadow:none;\n}\n.avia-image-container.av-llnh9t4h-7efab81a3e08d0fd0fd0144e6516db86 .av-image-caption-overlay-center{\ncolor:#ffffff;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='avia-image-container av-llnh9t4h-7efab81a3e08d0fd0fd0144e6516db86 av-styling- avia-align-center  avia-builder-el-5  avia-builder-el-no-sibling '   itemprop=\"image\" 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Autoclose: 1 -->\n\n<\/div><\/div><\/main><!-- close content main element --><\/div><\/div>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-16dbm6-4aa979c1e359788ae6906cd3e09c060f\">\n.avia-section.av-16dbm6-4aa979c1e359788ae6906cd3e09c060f{\nbackground-color:#ffffff;\nbackground-image:unset;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div id='blog-row1-3-1'  class='avia-section av-16dbm6-4aa979c1e359788ae6906cd3e09c060f alternate_color avia-section-default avia-no-border-styling  avia-builder-el-6  el_after_av_section  el_before_av_section  avia-bg-style-scroll container_wrap fullsize'  ><div class='container av-section-cont-open' ><div class='template-page content  av-content-full alpha units'><div class='post-entry post-entry-type-page post-entry-887'><div class='entry-content-wrapper clearfix'>\n<div  class='flex_column av-10vyoe-cad53da60de876b0e60244cdb43f694c av_one_fifth  avia-builder-el-7  el_before_av_three_fifth  avia-builder-el-first  first flex_column_div  '     ><\/div><div  class='flex_column av-wp7za-87fe590ff57011029116ced466c894cf av_three_fifth  avia-builder-el-8  el_after_av_one_fifth  el_before_av_one_fifth  flex_column_div  '     ><section  class='av_textblock_section av-r9292-4d6bd49f08aac9ef140b91595a57af84 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><h4>Dive into an incredible story of transformation as Sid Sijbrandij, a former submarine engineer, ignites a software revolution by co-founding GitLab. Co-hosts Constantijn van Oranje and Joe Wilson ask Sid all about his visionary approach to organic growth, the pivotal role of sales, and the rise of remote work as the key ingredients to GitLab&#8217;s remarkable success. Find below our key takeaways from this episode of the Scale Lab.<\/h4>\n<\/div><\/section><br \/>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-myvbq-f7fdfd67ba7b7695d058113cb46f8d3d\">\n#top .hr.hr-invisible.av-myvbq-f7fdfd67ba7b7695d058113cb46f8d3d{\nheight:50px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='hr av-myvbq-f7fdfd67ba7b7695d058113cb46f8d3d hr-invisible  avia-builder-el-10  el_after_av_textblock  el_before_av_sidebar '><span class='hr-inner '><span class=\"hr-inner-style\"><\/span><\/span><\/div><br \/>\n<div  class='avia-builder-widget-area clearfix  avia-builder-el-11  el_after_av_hr  avia-builder-el-last '><div id=\"avia_auto_toc-2\" class=\"widget clearfix avia-widget-container avia_auto_toc avia_no_block_preview\"><div class=\"avia-preview-headline\">techleap Table of Contents<\/div><div class=\"avia-preview-info\">Title: <\/div><div class=\"avia-preview-in-front\">Table can only be rendered in frontend.<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/p><\/div><div  class='flex_column av-91tim-3e484571e80bc5db9b4916a31c6e6050 av_one_fifth  avia-builder-el-12  el_after_av_three_fifth  avia-builder-el-last  flex_column_div  '     ><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><!-- close content main div --><\/div><\/div>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-lkcgdr0z-4fe618f9c8f257606059aafc21990ed8\">\n.avia-section.av-lkcgdr0z-4fe618f9c8f257606059aafc21990ed8{\nbackground-color:#ffffff;\nbackground-image:unset;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div id='content-blog'  class='avia-section av-lkcgdr0z-4fe618f9c8f257606059aafc21990ed8 alternate_color avia-section-default avia-no-border-styling  avia-builder-el-13  el_after_av_section  el_before_av_section  avia-bg-style-scroll container_wrap fullsize'  ><div class='container av-section-cont-open' ><div class='template-page content  av-content-full alpha units'><div class='post-entry post-entry-type-page post-entry-887'><div class='entry-content-wrapper clearfix'>\n<div  class='flex_column av-7874n-07102b5609a60506b5619a2224e10aca av_one_half  avia-builder-el-14  el_before_av_one_half  avia-builder-el-first  first flex_column_div  '     ><section  class='av_textblock_section av-llevpbqw-984ebd1b4aa77b3879fd99db00c84b92 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><h3>Listen to the episode<\/h3>\n<div>The podcast episode is available on major listening platforms: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/4vEf3B44XDUmmUq5fX2cBk?si=xrbGsR6yR_Cg_gRZ8RbPLw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Spotify<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/4vEf3B44XDUmmUq5fX2cBk?si=xrbGsR6yR_Cg_gRZ8RbPLw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/podcasts?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy8zZTQ5NmNlOC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw==\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Google Podcasts<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/pca.st\/9qlqw3yq\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pocket Casts<\/a>.<\/div>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div><div  class='flex_column av-194bxb-4380d12f0078f8f68830e87b206108f3 av_one_half  avia-builder-el-16  el_after_av_one_half  avia-builder-el-last  flex_column_div  '     ><style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-llevq45a-e0286efbf05edf49153359a932ce19e0\">\n.avia-image-container.av-llevq45a-e0286efbf05edf49153359a932ce19e0 img.avia_image{\nbox-shadow:none;\n}\n.avia-image-container.av-llevq45a-e0286efbf05edf49153359a932ce19e0 .av-image-caption-overlay-center{\ncolor:#ffffff;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='avia-image-container av-llevq45a-e0286efbf05edf49153359a932ce19e0 av-styling- avia-align-center  avia-builder-el-17  avia-builder-el-no-sibling '   itemprop=\"image\" itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" ><div class=\"avia-image-container-inner\"><div class=\"avia-image-overlay-wrap\"><img decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\" 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><h3>How did a submarine engineer become the CEO and co-founder of a software Unicorn?<\/h3>\n<p><strong>00:00:30<\/strong> &#8211; I think I&#8217;ve always been drawn to entrepreneurial activities. When I notice an opportunity, my first thought often is: if that doesn\u2019t exist, let\u2019s start making it. That\u2019s what also happened when I noticed <a href=\"http:\/\/sss\" target=\"_blank\">GitLab<\/a>, which was a really cool and promising project. But there was no company around it. So I went out and started a company.<\/p>\n<p>A year later &#8211; Dmitri &#8211; my co-founder, tweeted: &#8220;<em>I want to work full-time on\u00a0GitLab.<\/em>&#8221;<br \/>\nSo I sent him an email to join forces and discuss further steps.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/section>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-lqcddv4y-9995f7dc93b02cd2af559c56b471383c\">\n.avia-image-container.av-lqcddv4y-9995f7dc93b02cd2af559c56b471383c img.avia_image{\nbox-shadow:none;\n}\n.avia-image-container.av-lqcddv4y-9995f7dc93b02cd2af559c56b471383c .av-image-caption-overlay-center{\ncolor:#ffffff;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='avia-image-container av-lqcddv4y-9995f7dc93b02cd2af559c56b471383c av-styling- avia-align-center  avia-builder-el-20  el_after_av_textblock  el_before_av_textblock '   itemprop=\"image\" itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" ><div class=\"avia-image-container-inner\"><div class=\"avia-image-overlay-wrap\"><img decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\" class='wp-image-4128 avia-img-lazy-loading-not-4128 avia_image ' src=\"https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/GitLab-2.webp\" alt='' title='GitLab 2'  height=\"1067\" width=\"1600\"  itemprop=\"thumbnailUrl\" srcset=\"https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/GitLab-2.webp 1600w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/GitLab-2-300x200.webp 300w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/GitLab-2-1030x687.webp 1030w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/GitLab-2-768x512.webp 768w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/GitLab-2-1020x680.webp 1020w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/GitLab-2-1500x1000.webp 1500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-lqcdbst5-79997c8e6b3fbccd6bfab5158d88a493 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"What problem were you trying to solve with Bynder?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"How did you experience the process of finding the ultimate pizza recipe that you could scale for Magioni?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Looking back, what was the first MVP of a VanMoof bike and how did you know you have a product-market fit?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"It seems like you have developed different functionalities before you could actually go to market. Is that true? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:01:13&#093; Constantijn: What is the edgiest thing that happened in BUX? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:05:50&#093; Constantijn: How important is it for you to own and design the whole stack?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<h3>How important is it for you to own and design the whole stack?<\/h3>\n<div>\n<p><strong>00:05:50 &#8211;<\/strong> The way I personally see it, is that I want to own the critical parts of the value chain. You want to own everything that regards your brokerage business, and there is a simple reason for it. The only way to keep that competitive edge, as well as the agility and the fast development pace, is by owning the key business elements yourself. Once you depend on another company, you will lose that competitive edge.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Have you ever considered taking your product to a market that was more ready for you?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<article class=\"article-wide modular-push section\" data-section=\"Marleen Vogelaar - founder and CEO @Ziel &amp; co-founder @Shapeways\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"text\">\n<div class=\"big\"><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Key highlights\">\n<div class=\"c\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/section>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-23624f-566e6862130d53966dcb55d478673d7b\">\n#top .hr.hr-invisible.av-23624f-566e6862130d53966dcb55d478673d7b{\nheight:20px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='hr av-23624f-566e6862130d53966dcb55d478673d7b hr-invisible  avia-builder-el-22  el_after_av_textblock  el_before_av_textblock '><span class='hr-inner '><span class=\"hr-inner-style\"><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-llf7btna-d949e037e1fb3dc8c0dcf73090d79aea '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"What problem were you trying to solve with Bynder?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"How did you experience the process of finding the ultimate pizza recipe that you could scale for Magioni?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Looking back, what was the first MVP of a VanMoof bike and how did you know you have a product-market fit?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"It seems like you have developed different functionalities before you could actually go to market. Is that true? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:01:13&#093; Constantijn: What is the edgiest thing that happened in BUX? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:05:50&#093; Constantijn: How important is it for you to own and design the whole stack?\">\n<div class=\"c\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"c\">\n<h3>Were there any other crucial product decisions you made besides this pivot?<\/h3>\n<div>\n<p><strong>00:09:49 &#8211;<\/strong> The most important thing we did is create virality. In our early days, we created a reward system, where a current customer was rewarded if they brought a new person to BUX. Our growth was pretty stable, but when we introduced this new rewards programme, people had an incentive to invite their friends to join BUX. Our main goal was to create awareness because we believed that a good product should sell itself.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, if you really want to establish hypergrowth, you need a critical mass of clientele. Initially, we didn\u2019t have the cash to deploy significant marketing money. So we established a base of early adopters and then started this reward programme in order to generate this snowball effect a little bit. These days, you need a critical mass per country in order to get that virality going. And for that, you need to do marketing.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Have you ever considered taking your product to a market that was more ready for you?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<article class=\"article-wide modular-push section\" data-section=\"Marleen Vogelaar - founder and CEO @Ziel &amp; co-founder @Shapeways\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"text\">\n<div class=\"big\"><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Key highlights\">\n<div class=\"c\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/section>\n\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><!-- close content main div --><\/div><\/div>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-15myvj-e4ffd89025751140707a910f93b3275f\">\n.avia-section.av-15myvj-e4ffd89025751140707a910f93b3275f{\nbackground-color:#e3e3e3;\nbackground-image:unset;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div id='quote-section'  class='avia-section av-15myvj-e4ffd89025751140707a910f93b3275f alternate_color avia-section-large avia-no-border-styling  avia-builder-el-24  el_after_av_section  el_before_av_section  avia-bg-style-scroll container_wrap fullsize'  ><div class='container av-section-cont-open' ><div class='template-page content  av-content-full alpha units'><div class='post-entry post-entry-type-page post-entry-887'><div class='entry-content-wrapper clearfix'>\n<div class='flex_column_table av-ypydb-4be447d20f1ad744acf4aa37a1228050 sc-av_one_half av-equal-height-column-flextable'><div  class='flex_column av-ypydb-4be447d20f1ad744acf4aa37a1228050 av_one_half  avia-builder-el-25  el_before_av_one_half  avia-builder-el-first  first no_margin flex_column_table_cell av-equal-height-column av-align-top  '     ><style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-lqcdg1ub-3224900b41a2df914c08a55a0b4e57a8\">\n.avia-image-container.av-lqcdg1ub-3224900b41a2df914c08a55a0b4e57a8 img.avia_image{\nbox-shadow:none;\n}\n.avia-image-container.av-lqcdg1ub-3224900b41a2df914c08a55a0b4e57a8 .av-image-caption-overlay-center{\ncolor:#ffffff;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='avia-image-container av-lqcdg1ub-3224900b41a2df914c08a55a0b4e57a8 av-styling-no-styling avia-align-center  avia-builder-el-26  avia-builder-el-no-sibling '   itemprop=\"image\" itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" ><div class=\"avia-image-container-inner\"><div class=\"avia-image-overlay-wrap\"><img decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\" class='wp-image-4130 avia-img-lazy-loading-not-4130 avia_image ' src=\"https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/GitLab-Quote-500x500.webp\" alt='' title='GitLab Quote'  height=\"500\" width=\"500\"  itemprop=\"thumbnailUrl\" srcset=\"https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/GitLab-Quote-500x500.webp 500w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/GitLab-Quote-80x80.webp 80w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-poqt3-70315dbac41c6c8e624a020315b87ff7\">\n.flex_column.av-poqt3-70315dbac41c6c8e624a020315b87ff7{\npadding:30px 40px 40px 90px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='flex_column av-poqt3-70315dbac41c6c8e624a020315b87ff7 av_one_half  avia-builder-el-27  el_after_av_one_half  avia-builder-el-last  no_margin flex_column_table_cell av-equal-height-column av-align-top  '     ><p>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-lqcdgglc-f39c21567569e514cbf6565fd83bc712\">\n#top .av-special-heading.av-lqcdgglc-f39c21567569e514cbf6565fd83bc712{\npadding-bottom:10px;\n}\nbody .av-special-heading.av-lqcdgglc-f39c21567569e514cbf6565fd83bc712 .av-special-heading-tag .heading-char{\nfont-size:25px;\n}\n.av-special-heading.av-lqcdgglc-f39c21567569e514cbf6565fd83bc712 .av-subheading{\nfont-size:15px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='av-special-heading av-lqcdgglc-f39c21567569e514cbf6565fd83bc712 av-special-heading-h4 blockquote modern-quote  avia-builder-el-28  el_before_av_textblock  avia-builder-el-first  quotation'><h4 class='av-special-heading-tag'  itemprop=\"headline\"  >Sales is not pushing something onto someone. You sometimes do outbound sales to remind people that you have an offering, but sales mostly is coordinating the purchasing process at the customer side.<\/h4><div class=\"special-heading-border\"><div class=\"special-heading-inner-border\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><br \/>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-lqcdh8br-72c43469871bfd0008f135f801d4e4ef '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock quote-bottom'  itemprop=\"text\" ><p><span style=\"font-family: maison-mono;color: #ff8000\">Sid Sijbrandij, CEO &amp; Co-Founder of GitLab<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/p><\/div><\/div><!--close column table wrapper. Autoclose: 1 -->\n\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><!-- close content main div --><\/div><\/div>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-im1tr-0e028f17c54a1fd7dee35cb375ed7a92\">\n.avia-section.av-im1tr-0e028f17c54a1fd7dee35cb375ed7a92{\nbackground-color:#ffffff;\nbackground-image:unset;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div id='content-blog'  class='avia-section av-im1tr-0e028f17c54a1fd7dee35cb375ed7a92 alternate_color avia-section-default avia-no-border-styling  avia-builder-el-30  el_after_av_section  el_before_av_section  avia-bg-style-scroll container_wrap fullsize'  ><div class='container av-section-cont-open' ><div class='template-page content  av-content-full alpha units'><div class='post-entry post-entry-type-page post-entry-887'><div class='entry-content-wrapper clearfix'>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-llf7fx6d-8452ae8618f89136858744926a56557f '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"What problem were you trying to solve with Bynder?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"How did you experience the process of finding the ultimate pizza recipe that you could scale for Magioni?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Looking back, what was the first MVP of a VanMoof bike and how did you know you have a product-market fit?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"It seems like you have developed different functionalities before you could actually go to market. Is that true? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:01:13&#093; Constantijn: What is the edgiest thing that happened in BUX? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:05:50&#093; Constantijn: How important is it for you to own and design the whole stack?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:19:34&#093; Constantijn: You did mention before that your investors have high expectations. Maybe we can explore a bit the relationship with investors. Are they pushing you in areas where you don't want to go or are you completely aligned? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<h3>You did mention before that your investors have high expectations. Maybe we can explore a bit the relationship with investors. Are they pushing you in areas where you don&#8217;t want to go or are you completely aligned?<\/h3>\n<div>\n<p><b>00:19:34 &#8211; <\/b>I think it&#8217;s the investors&#8217; job to keep pushing the management team as much as they can to deliver on the ambitions that they set. I&#8217;m a very ambitious person, so I set my goals extremely high. And you will probably see if you look at interviews that I&#8217;ve done before, that I&#8217;m talking about millions of customers and I generally feel that way. I do believe that we [BUX] should be the European number one.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Have you ever considered taking your product to a market that was more ready for you?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<article class=\"article-wide modular-push section\" data-section=\"Marleen Vogelaar - founder and CEO @Ziel &amp; co-founder @Shapeways\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"text\">\n<div class=\"big\"><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Key highlights\">\n<div class=\"c\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/section>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-dyxmf-20ad32752db4c8fba158fb4e32c6cd1a\">\n#top .hr.hr-invisible.av-dyxmf-20ad32752db4c8fba158fb4e32c6cd1a{\nheight:20px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='hr av-dyxmf-20ad32752db4c8fba158fb4e32c6cd1a hr-invisible  avia-builder-el-32  el_after_av_textblock  el_before_av_textblock '><span class='hr-inner '><span class=\"hr-inner-style\"><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-lqcdithp-c1284c0cb881fbd7d33ad31ad553dee7 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"What problem were you trying to solve with Bynder?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"How did you experience the process of finding the ultimate pizza recipe that you could scale for Magioni?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Looking back, what was the first MVP of a VanMoof bike and how did you know you have a product-market fit?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"It seems like you have developed different functionalities before you could actually go to market. Is that true? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:01:13&#093; Constantijn: What is the edgiest thing that happened in BUX? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:05:50&#093; Constantijn: How important is it for you to own and design the whole stack?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:19:34&#093; Constantijn: You did mention before that your investors have high expectations. Maybe we can explore a bit the relationship with investors. Are they pushing you in areas where you don't want to go or are you completely aligned? \">\n<div class=\"c\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:23:06&#093; Constantijn: Do you have any lessons that you could share on how to manage your investors and how this relationship works for you?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<h3>Do you have any lessons that you could share on how to manage your investors and how this relationship works for you?<\/h3>\n<div>\n<p><b>00:23:06 &#8211; <\/b>I think it&#8217;s all about expectations management. You need to set expectations for your board and clearly outline who is in the lead. Of course, we can vote if you are not happy with something, but it\u2019s ultimately me making the final call.<\/p>\n<p>That said, we had the luxury of choosing our investors. For a very specific reason, we chose Prosus Ventures and Tencent. It\u2019s great to have them as an investor because they are a massive company with a dedicated team of people helping you out with a variety of things, such as recruitment, PR, media, etc.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Have you ever considered taking your product to a market that was more ready for you?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<article class=\"article-wide modular-push section\" data-section=\"Marleen Vogelaar - founder and CEO @Ziel &amp; co-founder @Shapeways\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"text\">\n<div class=\"big\"><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Key highlights\">\n<div class=\"c\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/section>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-llf2vu8a-0ea9903ada0a1668aa8f2117db769914\">\n.avia-image-container.av-llf2vu8a-0ea9903ada0a1668aa8f2117db769914 img.avia_image{\nbox-shadow:none;\n}\n.avia-image-container.av-llf2vu8a-0ea9903ada0a1668aa8f2117db769914 .av-image-caption-overlay-center{\ncolor:#ffffff;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='avia-image-container av-llf2vu8a-0ea9903ada0a1668aa8f2117db769914 av-styling- avia-align-center  avia-builder-el-34  el_after_av_textblock  el_before_av_textblock '   itemprop=\"image\" itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" ><div class=\"avia-image-container-inner\"><div class=\"avia-image-overlay-wrap\"><img decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\" class='wp-image-4129 avia-img-lazy-loading-not-4129 avia_image ' src=\"https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/GitLab-3.webp\" alt='' title='GitLab 3'  height=\"1067\" width=\"1600\"  itemprop=\"thumbnailUrl\" srcset=\"https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/GitLab-3.webp 1600w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/GitLab-3-300x200.webp 300w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/GitLab-3-1030x687.webp 1030w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/GitLab-3-768x512.webp 768w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/GitLab-3-1020x680.webp 1020w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/GitLab-3-1500x1000.webp 1500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-llf7ipri-d5dd1aef47ad587bb6550d9de66f47ea '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"What problem were you trying to solve with Bynder?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"How did you experience the process of finding the ultimate pizza recipe that you could scale for Magioni?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Looking back, what was the first MVP of a VanMoof bike and how did you know you have a product-market fit?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"It seems like you have developed different functionalities before you could actually go to market. Is that true? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:01:13&#093; Constantijn: What is the edgiest thing that happened in BUX? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:05:50&#093; Constantijn: How important is it for you to own and design the whole stack?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:19:34&#093; Constantijn: You did mention before that your investors have high expectations. Maybe we can explore a bit the relationship with investors. Are they pushing you in areas where you don't want to go or are you completely aligned? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<h3>How do you retain that kind of talent? And you said you aim for a diverse team at BUX, is there an existing policy on that?<\/h3>\n<div>\n<p><strong>00:32:18<\/strong> &#8211; We make sure to provide our employees with stock option plans as well as provide non-financial benefits, such as team-bonding events, lunches, pension plans, flexible work environment, etc. So we&#8217;re doing a lot of stuff to make sure that we retain them. There&#8217;s one thing I do want to mention as well &#8211; obviously, in the Netherlands, as a fintech firm, it is quite difficult sometimes to find really experienced senior people. But with a flexible work policy, we are open to hiring talent outside the Netherlands too.<\/p>\n<p>Talking about diversity &#8211; already in 2016 &#8211; we told ourselves that diversity plays a very important role in the hiring process. I firmly believe that a diverse team is a better-performing team. And at some point, I said that we need a gender &amp; ethnically diverse management team. It was a hard target we set for ourselves and thus made it happen. Diversity brings different points of view and perspectives on the same things, which is very beneficial for the company\u2019s multiculturalism &amp; international growth.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Have you ever considered taking your product to a market that was more ready for you?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<article class=\"article-wide modular-push section\" data-section=\"Marleen Vogelaar - founder and CEO @Ziel &amp; co-founder @Shapeways\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"text\">\n<div class=\"big\"><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Key highlights\">\n<div class=\"c\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/section>\n\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><!-- close content main div --><\/div><\/div>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-12iriv-b499fa464d56c1832e2f23214332022b\">\n.avia-section.av-12iriv-b499fa464d56c1832e2f23214332022b{\nbackground-color:#ffffff;\nbackground-image:unset;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div id='content-blog-2c'  class='avia-section av-12iriv-b499fa464d56c1832e2f23214332022b alternate_color avia-section-default avia-no-border-styling  avia-builder-el-36  el_after_av_section  el_before_av_section  avia-bg-style-scroll container_wrap fullsize'  ><div class='container av-section-cont-open' ><div class='template-page content  av-content-full alpha units'><div class='post-entry post-entry-type-page post-entry-887'><div class='entry-content-wrapper clearfix'>\n<div class='flex_column_table av-yv4br-95a89370ccd63945cb35525051b5770b sc-av_one_half av-equal-height-column-flextable'><div  class='flex_column av-yv4br-95a89370ccd63945cb35525051b5770b av_one_half  avia-builder-el-37  el_before_av_one_half  avia-builder-el-first  first flex_column_table_cell av-equal-height-column av-align-middle  '     ><style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-lqcdo7ku-4d66109d6320772177ece5a61254c51a\">\n.avia-image-container.av-lqcdo7ku-4d66109d6320772177ece5a61254c51a img.avia_image{\nbox-shadow:none;\n}\n.avia-image-container.av-lqcdo7ku-4d66109d6320772177ece5a61254c51a .av-image-caption-overlay-center{\ncolor:#ffffff;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='avia-image-container av-lqcdo7ku-4d66109d6320772177ece5a61254c51a av-styling- avia-align-center  avia-builder-el-38  avia-builder-el-no-sibling '   itemprop=\"image\" itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" ><div class=\"avia-image-container-inner\"><div class=\"avia-image-overlay-wrap\"><img decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\" class='wp-image-4131 avia-img-lazy-loading-not-4131 avia_image ' src=\"https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/The-Scale-Lab-Listen-Button.webp\" alt='' title='The Scale Lab Listen Button'  height=\"900\" width=\"1600\"  itemprop=\"thumbnailUrl\" srcset=\"https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/The-Scale-Lab-Listen-Button.webp 1600w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/The-Scale-Lab-Listen-Button-300x169.webp 300w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/The-Scale-Lab-Listen-Button-1030x579.webp 1030w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/The-Scale-Lab-Listen-Button-768x432.webp 768w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/The-Scale-Lab-Listen-Button-1020x574.webp 1020w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/The-Scale-Lab-Listen-Button-1500x844.webp 1500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class='av-flex-placeholder'><\/div><div  class='flex_column av-rcprb-2af4826ec8a4c94ae474659db8838a02 av_one_half  avia-builder-el-39  el_after_av_one_half  avia-builder-el-last  flex_column_table_cell av-equal-height-column av-align-middle  '     ><section  class='av_textblock_section av-bpajo-6bba740232374d26ec194d2ec593dec0 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><h3>Curious to hear the whole story? 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