{"id":971,"date":"2021-11-25T17:05:55","date_gmt":"2021-11-25T16:05:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/techleap-design.nl\/techleap\/?p=971"},"modified":"2023-12-20T19:03:44","modified_gmt":"2023-12-20T18:03:44","slug":"how-robert-vis-elevated-messagebird-to-over-3-billion-valuation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/techleap.nl\/blog\/how-robert-vis-elevated-messagebird-to-over-3-billion-valuation\/","title":{"rendered":"How Robert Vis elevated MessageBird to over $3 billion valuation"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-lkcgd8fl-9ed45aed6c88a87bfe3ef6d3c2f9e554\">\n.avia-section.av-lkcgd8fl-9ed45aed6c88a87bfe3ef6d3c2f9e554{\nbackground-color:#ffffff;\nbackground-image:unset;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div id='header-blog'  class='avia-section av-lkcgd8fl-9ed45aed6c88a87bfe3ef6d3c2f9e554 alternate_color avia-section-default avia-no-border-styling  avia-builder-el-0  el_before_av_section  avia-builder-el-first  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class=\"av-post-metadata-content av-post-metadata-modified\"><span class=\"av-post-metadata-modified-date\" >December 20, 2023<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div><\/div><br \/>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-lkcefi62-f3c664fc98bc18f3b7be6be6eda14877\">\n#top .av-special-heading.av-lkcefi62-f3c664fc98bc18f3b7be6be6eda14877{\npadding-bottom:10px;\n}\nbody .av-special-heading.av-lkcefi62-f3c664fc98bc18f3b7be6be6eda14877 .av-special-heading-tag .heading-char{\nfont-size:25px;\n}\n.av-special-heading.av-lkcefi62-f3c664fc98bc18f3b7be6be6eda14877 .av-subheading{\nfont-size:15px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='av-special-heading av-lkcefi62-f3c664fc98bc18f3b7be6be6eda14877 av-special-heading-h1 blockquote modern-quote  avia-builder-el-3  el_after_av_post_metadata  avia-builder-el-last '><h1 class='av-special-heading-tag'  itemprop=\"headline\"  >How Robert Vis elevated MessageBird to over $3 billion valuation<\/h1><div 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Autoclose: 1 -->\n\n<\/div><\/div><\/main><!-- close content main element --><\/div><\/div>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-16dbm6-4aa979c1e359788ae6906cd3e09c060f\">\n.avia-section.av-16dbm6-4aa979c1e359788ae6906cd3e09c060f{\nbackground-color:#ffffff;\nbackground-image:unset;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div id='blog-row1-3-1'  class='avia-section av-16dbm6-4aa979c1e359788ae6906cd3e09c060f alternate_color avia-section-default avia-no-border-styling  avia-builder-el-6  el_after_av_section  el_before_av_section  avia-bg-style-scroll container_wrap fullsize'  ><div class='container av-section-cont-open' ><div class='template-page content  av-content-full alpha units'><div class='post-entry post-entry-type-page post-entry-971'><div class='entry-content-wrapper clearfix'>\n<div  class='flex_column av-10vyoe-cad53da60de876b0e60244cdb43f694c av_one_fifth  avia-builder-el-7  el_before_av_three_fifth  avia-builder-el-first  first flex_column_div  '     ><\/div><div  class='flex_column av-wp7za-87fe590ff57011029116ced466c894cf av_three_fifth  avia-builder-el-8  el_after_av_one_fifth  el_before_av_one_fifth  flex_column_div  '     ><section  class='av_textblock_section av-r9292-4d6bd49f08aac9ef140b91595a57af84 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><h4>Episode #10 of The Scale Lab is dedicated to the entrepreneurial story of Robert Vis &#8211; the founder &amp; CEO of MessageBird. Together with our hosts &#8211; Joe &amp; Constantijn &#8211; we dive into the origins of MessageBird, and follow Robert\u2019s learnings about raising funding, building a sustainable company culture, and thinking globally from day one. What did Silicon Valley teach Robert? We\u2019ve summarised the key points raised within this episode below.<\/h4>\n<\/div><\/section><br \/>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-myvbq-f7fdfd67ba7b7695d058113cb46f8d3d\">\n#top .hr.hr-invisible.av-myvbq-f7fdfd67ba7b7695d058113cb46f8d3d{\nheight:50px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='hr av-myvbq-f7fdfd67ba7b7695d058113cb46f8d3d hr-invisible  avia-builder-el-10  el_after_av_textblock  el_before_av_sidebar '><span class='hr-inner '><span class=\"hr-inner-style\"><\/span><\/span><\/div><br \/>\n<div  class='avia-builder-widget-area clearfix  avia-builder-el-11  el_after_av_hr  el_before_av_hr '><div id=\"avia_auto_toc-2\" class=\"widget clearfix avia-widget-container avia_auto_toc avia_no_block_preview\"><div class=\"avia-preview-headline\">techleap Table of Contents<\/div><div class=\"avia-preview-info\">Title: <\/div><div class=\"avia-preview-in-front\">Table can only be rendered in frontend.<\/div><\/div><\/div><br \/>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-9ns1f-f3f537de6d94ea37ae6db23321b2b062\">\n#top .hr.hr-invisible.av-9ns1f-f3f537de6d94ea37ae6db23321b2b062{\nheight:50px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='hr av-9ns1f-f3f537de6d94ea37ae6db23321b2b062 hr-invisible  avia-builder-el-12  el_after_av_sidebar  el_before_av_textblock '><span class='hr-inner '><span class=\"hr-inner-style\"><\/span><\/span><\/div><br \/>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-llevpbqw-984ebd1b4aa77b3879fd99db00c84b92 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><h3>Listen to the episode<\/h3>\n<div>The podcast episode is available on major listening platforms: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/5jIQGea4D9r83f782Why4R?si=beM42zqLSaeRmUfImOgLJA\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Spotify<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/nl\/podcast\/episode-17-the-success-story-of-booking-com-gillian\/id1558100523?i=1000554849804\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.google.com\/feed\/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy8zZTQ5NmNlOC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw\/episode\/NzZhNDYyOWEtN2Q0ZS00MDkzLWIxNmUtZDVjMDlhMjQwMTU1?sa=X&amp;ved=0CAUQkfYCahcKEwj4zMCM3vKAAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Google Podcasts<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/pca.st\/9qlqw3yq\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pocket Casts<\/a>.<\/div>\n<\/div><\/section><\/p><\/div><div  class='flex_column av-91tim-3e484571e80bc5db9b4916a31c6e6050 av_one_fifth  avia-builder-el-14  el_after_av_three_fifth  avia-builder-el-last  flex_column_div  '     ><\/div>\n\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><!-- close content main div --><\/div><\/div>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-2ztq9f-ea486ca2b6dd01ee31d074fb62bcffb1\">\n.avia-section.av-2ztq9f-ea486ca2b6dd01ee31d074fb62bcffb1{\nbackground-color:#ffffff;\nbackground-image:unset;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div id='content-blog'  class='avia-section av-2ztq9f-ea486ca2b6dd01ee31d074fb62bcffb1 alternate_color avia-section-default avia-no-border-styling  avia-builder-el-15  el_after_av_section  el_before_av_section  avia-bg-style-scroll container_wrap fullsize'  ><div class='container av-section-cont-open' ><div class='template-page content  av-content-full alpha units'><div class='post-entry post-entry-type-page post-entry-971'><div class='entry-content-wrapper clearfix'>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-llexpp93-d21ed1503d267de88c84d79f340baa41 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"What problem were you trying to solve with Bynder?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"How did you experience the process of finding the ultimate pizza recipe that you could scale for Magioni?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Looking back, what was the first MVP of a VanMoof bike and how did you know you have a product-market fit?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"It seems like you have developed different functionalities before you could actually go to market. Is that true? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:01:13&#093; Constantijn: What is the edgiest thing that happened in BUX? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"01.30 - What is the best part about current market conditions for entrepreneurs?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:00:14&#093; Constantijn: Gillian, you\u2019ve seen Booking.com evolving from its early stages to becoming a billion-dollar company. Can you take us through these different phases and highlight some of the critical decisions that you took along the way?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Throughout your journey with MessageBird, you\u2019ve had so many roles as a CEO - do you ever ask yourself if you\u2019re still the right person in that position?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<h3>Throughout your journey with MessageBird, you\u2019ve had so many roles as a CEO &#8211; do you ever ask yourself if you\u2019re still the right person in that position?<\/h3>\n<div>\n<p><b>00:01:25<\/b> &#8211; I feel pretty comfortable where I am at the moment, but I look at this in a 3-year increment. I think it\u2019s a reasonable timeframe for the business and the responsibility. I am 37 and I will be 40 in 3 years. I always said I\u2019ll stop being a CEO when I\u2019m 40, so let\u2019s see. But obviously, it\u2019s a complex role, you have to reinvent yourself multiple times throughout your journey with the company.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"You say MessageBird has been client-driven from the beginning, how did that reflect within your strategy?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Have you ever considered taking your product to a market that was more ready for you?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<article class=\"article-wide modular-push section\" data-section=\"Marleen Vogelaar - founder and CEO @Ziel &amp; co-founder @Shapeways\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"text\">\n<div class=\"big\"><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Key highlights\">\n<div class=\"c\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/section>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-t2vh7-91deac41d00b602592099dc60ace8834\">\n#top .hr.hr-invisible.av-t2vh7-91deac41d00b602592099dc60ace8834{\nheight:20px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='hr av-t2vh7-91deac41d00b602592099dc60ace8834 hr-invisible  avia-builder-el-17  el_after_av_textblock  el_before_av_textblock '><span class='hr-inner '><span class=\"hr-inner-style\"><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-lqdsymm7-0fed749e7fc566d17c2ef29add9e9d95 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"You say MessageBird has been client-driven from the beginning, how did that reflect within your strategy?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<h3>You say MessageBird has been client-driven from the beginning, how did that reflect within your strategy?<\/h3>\n<div>\n<p><b>00:06:39 &#8211;\u00a0<\/b>Customer focus has been something that we&#8217;ve had from day one.\u00a0<b>Customers give you the answers to all decisions you should ever make.\u00a0<\/b>It\u2019s very simple &#8211; just talk to your customers, listen to them, iterate based on your customer needs. So customer feedback has been very very important for us from the very beginning of our existence as a company.<\/p>\n<p>To give you an example,\u00a0<b>I still respond to every single customer email<\/b> &#8211; whether they reach out to me via LinkedIn or via email. And usually, I try to respond within thirty minutes, be it day or night (unless I&#8217;m sleeping, of course).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/section>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-jxp63-dc4b48fc040cf0761502167f8700c96c\">\n#top .hr.hr-invisible.av-jxp63-dc4b48fc040cf0761502167f8700c96c{\nheight:20px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='hr av-jxp63-dc4b48fc040cf0761502167f8700c96c hr-invisible  avia-builder-el-19  el_after_av_textblock  el_before_av_image '><span class='hr-inner '><span class=\"hr-inner-style\"><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-llf78tgy-96131d98d591e9e46bc1543f5fba87c2\">\n.avia-image-container.av-llf78tgy-96131d98d591e9e46bc1543f5fba87c2 img.avia_image{\nbox-shadow:none;\n}\n.avia-image-container.av-llf78tgy-96131d98d591e9e46bc1543f5fba87c2 .av-image-caption-overlay-center{\ncolor:#ffffff;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='avia-image-container av-llf78tgy-96131d98d591e9e46bc1543f5fba87c2 av-styling- avia-align-center  avia-builder-el-20  el_after_av_hr  el_before_av_textblock '   itemprop=\"image\" itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" ><div class=\"avia-image-container-inner\"><div class=\"avia-image-overlay-wrap\"><img decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\" class='wp-image-4268 avia-img-lazy-loading-not-4268 avia_image ' src=\"https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/11\/MessageBird-1.webp\" alt='' title='MessageBird 1'  height=\"900\" width=\"1600\"  itemprop=\"thumbnailUrl\" srcset=\"https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/11\/MessageBird-1.webp 1600w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/11\/MessageBird-1-300x169.webp 300w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/11\/MessageBird-1-1030x579.webp 1030w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/11\/MessageBird-1-768x432.webp 768w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/11\/MessageBird-1-1020x574.webp 1020w, https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/11\/MessageBird-1-1500x844.webp 1500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-llf7btna-d949e037e1fb3dc8c0dcf73090d79aea '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"What problem were you trying to solve with Bynder?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"How did you experience the process of finding the ultimate pizza recipe that you could scale for Magioni?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Looking back, what was the first MVP of a VanMoof bike and how did you know you have a product-market fit?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"It seems like you have developed different functionalities before you could actually go to market. Is that true? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:01:13&#093; Constantijn: What is the edgiest thing that happened in BUX? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:05:50&#093; Constantijn: How important is it for you to own and design the whole stack?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"11:48 - What does panic mean for you?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:05:09&#093; Constantijn: When was the moment you realised you had to start developing different business lines? What made you diversify? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"What are the values you live and breathe as a company?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<h3>What are the values you live and breathe as a company?<\/h3>\n<div>\n<p><b>00:10:05 &#8211;\u00a0<\/b>Privacy and data protection.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.messagebird.com\/en\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">MessageBird<\/a>\u00a0will never sell the data of customers. It&#8217;s just something I&#8217;m very, very against at an individual level. We will use the\u00a0data of our customers to provide a better customer experience, but we will never go into the data business. I\u2019m not sure if it\u2019s a commercial decision, but it\u2019s just something I need to be able to sleep at night and feel good about.\u00a0<b>I don\u2019t think I would feel good if\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.messagebird.com\/en\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">MessageBird<\/a>\u00a0was in the business of selling consumer data.<\/b><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:11:17&#093; Constantijn: How do you optimise your strategy in a way that you are still a good follower of the latest trends and of what your competitors are doing?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Have you ever considered taking your product to a market that was more ready for you?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<article class=\"article-wide modular-push section\" data-section=\"Marleen Vogelaar - founder and CEO @Ziel &amp; co-founder @Shapeways\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"text\">\n<div class=\"big\"><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Key highlights\">\n<div class=\"c\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/section>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-dqnuj-554a6d6937e932c4b7a78bb59fd3295d\">\n#top .hr.hr-invisible.av-dqnuj-554a6d6937e932c4b7a78bb59fd3295d{\nheight:20px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='hr av-dqnuj-554a6d6937e932c4b7a78bb59fd3295d hr-invisible  avia-builder-el-22  el_after_av_textblock  el_before_av_textblock '><span class='hr-inner '><span class=\"hr-inner-style\"><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-lqdsx22r-25198a730c2ea45114694e9f8b35124b '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"What problem were you trying to solve with Bynder?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"How did you experience the process of finding the ultimate pizza recipe that you could scale for Magioni?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Looking back, what was the first MVP of a VanMoof bike and how did you know you have a product-market fit?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"It seems like you have developed different functionalities before you could actually go to market. Is that true? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:01:13&#093; Constantijn: What is the edgiest thing that happened in BUX? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:05:50&#093; Constantijn: How important is it for you to own and design the whole stack?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"11:48 - What does panic mean for you?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:05:09&#093; Constantijn: When was the moment you realised you had to start developing different business lines? What made you diversify? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"What are the values you live and breathe as a company?\">\n<div class=\"c\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Can you remember that moment when you realised that you reached that sweet spot of product-market fit?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<h3>Can you remember that moment when you realised that you reached that sweet spot of product-market fit?<\/h3>\n<div>\n<p><b>00:12:30 &#8211;\u00a0<\/b>I think we were very fortunate because this moment happened on day one of\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.messagebird.com\/en\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">MessageBird<\/a>. At that time,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/adriaan\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Adriaan Mol<\/a> and I were working on a company called Zaypay. One of our suppliers came to us and asked &#8211; \u2018hey, can you do messaging for us too?\u2019 And we said &#8211; \u2018sure, we can do that\u2019. What happened is they sent so much volume that it crashed all our servers. But it was an interesting experience as it showed us that there is a whole world out there of a totally different scale that we don\u2019t know of. So it all started with that one client, who we completely messed up but they were willing to give us another try. And that\u2019s when we started to build our own tech. In fact, we\u2019ve built a core mobile network from the ground up &#8211; every little piece of tech is built in-house, we never outsourced anything or worked with third parties. We were very focused on our performance within the first year, this is why we were able to pay out all the taxes and have profit from the very beginning.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:11:17&#093; Constantijn: How do you optimise your strategy in a way that you are still a good follower of the latest trends and of what your competitors are doing?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Have you ever considered taking your product to a market that was more ready for you?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<article class=\"article-wide modular-push section\" data-section=\"Marleen Vogelaar - founder and CEO @Ziel &amp; co-founder @Shapeways\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"text\">\n<div class=\"big\"><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Key highlights\">\n<div class=\"c\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/section>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-aet17-3a7a0de36f7d2f78684a8aa510f470fd\">\n#top .hr.hr-invisible.av-aet17-3a7a0de36f7d2f78684a8aa510f470fd{\nheight:20px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='hr av-aet17-3a7a0de36f7d2f78684a8aa510f470fd hr-invisible  avia-builder-el-24  el_after_av_textblock  el_before_av_textblock '><span class='hr-inner '><span class=\"hr-inner-style\"><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-lqdsxez0-493d6b1b5015237c6bdfc71bfc83b400 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"What problem were you trying to solve with Bynder?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"How did you experience the process of finding the ultimate pizza recipe that you could scale for Magioni?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Looking back, what was the first MVP of a VanMoof bike and how did you know you have a product-market fit?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"It seems like you have developed different functionalities before you could actually go to market. Is that true? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:01:13&#093; Constantijn: What is the edgiest thing that happened in BUX? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:05:50&#093; Constantijn: How important is it for you to own and design the whole stack?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"11:48 - What does panic mean for you?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:05:09&#093; Constantijn: When was the moment you realised you had to start developing different business lines? What made you diversify? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"What are the values you live and breathe as a company?\">\n<div class=\"c\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Can you remember that moment when you realised that you reached that sweet spot of product-market fit?\">\n<div class=\"c\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Perfection or momentum?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<h3>Perfection or momentum?<\/h3>\n<div>\n<p><b>00:20:42 &#8211;\u00a0\u00a0<\/b>It\u2019s always a balance between the two &#8211; perfection &amp; momentum, and you have to choose your battles. I think we drew a hard line on some things, such as privacy, who has access to the content of the messages, etc. It was very important for us to nail down the foundation.\u00a0<b>It\u2019s like building a house &#8211; if you get the foundation done really well, you can endlessly scale.<\/b>\u00a0If you miss the foundation, you wait too long, then you get into all kinds of problems that we see big companies tend to face, just because they didn\u2019t account for something from day one.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:11:17&#093; Constantijn: How do you optimise your strategy in a way that you are still a good follower of the latest trends and of what your competitors are doing?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Have you ever considered taking your product to a market that was more ready for you?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<article class=\"article-wide modular-push section\" data-section=\"Marleen Vogelaar - founder and CEO @Ziel &amp; 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People were so smart.<\/h4><div class=\"special-heading-border\"><div class=\"special-heading-inner-border\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><br \/>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-24ty1v-25ea95f03fe7db379214fc9630eb1f84 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock quote-bottom'  itemprop=\"text\" ><p><span style=\"font-family: maison-mono;color: #ff8000\">Robert Vis, CEO &amp; founder\u00a0 of MessageBird<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/p><\/div><\/div><!--close column table wrapper. Autoclose: 1 -->\n\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><!-- close content main div --><\/div><\/div>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-1xnz0j-d7a30b37f3a1d8ab986c2d67ec8b5368\">\n.avia-section.av-1xnz0j-d7a30b37f3a1d8ab986c2d67ec8b5368{\nbackground-color:#ffffff;\nbackground-image:unset;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div id='content-blog'  class='avia-section av-1xnz0j-d7a30b37f3a1d8ab986c2d67ec8b5368 alternate_color avia-section-default avia-no-border-styling  avia-builder-el-32  el_after_av_section  el_before_av_section  avia-bg-style-scroll container_wrap fullsize'  ><div class='container av-section-cont-open' ><div class='template-page content  av-content-full alpha units'><div class='post-entry post-entry-type-page post-entry-971'><div class='entry-content-wrapper clearfix'>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-llf7fx6d-8452ae8618f89136858744926a56557f '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Were there any crucial hires or executive decisions that made all the difference for your business?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<h3>Were there any crucial hires or executive decisions that made all the difference for your business?<\/h3>\n<div>\n<p><b>00:22:31 &#8211;<\/b><b>\u00a0<\/b>I don&#8217;t think it was about a certain individual or one person who changed everything. As a CEO, it\u2019s really important that you are able to create a team. You basically want to spend your time making sure that everything is automated and runs smoothly while you are away. One key learning for me was &#8211;\u00a0<b>besides hiring great tech people, you need to hire a really good CFO and Head of People, because they\u2019ll solve a lot of your headaches.\u00a0<\/b>You should overinvest here, hire them way earlier than you think, make them your partners, provide them shares.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/section>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-7m06b-f7d8f05d56526ce356c72e8745308b2a\">\n#top .hr.hr-invisible.av-7m06b-f7d8f05d56526ce356c72e8745308b2a{\nheight:20px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='hr av-7m06b-f7d8f05d56526ce356c72e8745308b2a hr-invisible  avia-builder-el-34  el_after_av_textblock  el_before_av_textblock '><span class='hr-inner '><span class=\"hr-inner-style\"><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-lqdszjas-5f6b527704784a3a6489ce4e75bc802c '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><h3>You were financially successful from the first days of MessageBird &#8211; why did you decide to go to Y Combinator?<\/h3>\n<div>\n<p><b>00:26:33 &#8211;\u00a0<\/b>I like this question! I\u2019ll make it blunter &#8211; \u2018Why did I give them 7% of my company?\u2019.<b>\u00a0In all honesty, it\u2019s one of the best decisions I\u2019ve ever made.\u00a0<\/b>We knew the US is a big market, we just signed\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.uber.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Uber<\/a>\u00a0as a client, so we wanted more of such customers and\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ycombinator.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">YC<\/a>\u00a0was a step towards this.<\/p>\n<p>Getting into the programme was a very nervous process, people in Silicon Valley are tough, plus we also applied very last minute. I was not sure if we\u2019d get accepted.\u00a0 But then I got a call saying that we got in with the condition that I\u2019d give them 7% of the company. Their argument was basically &#8211; \u2018we\u2019ll provide you with so much value that we\u2019re totally worth those 7%\u2019. So I went for it.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/section>\n\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><!-- close content main div --><\/div><\/div>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-1pypj7-95e77e9c142f171aad2e55224bed5f94\">\n.avia-section.av-1pypj7-95e77e9c142f171aad2e55224bed5f94{\nbackground-color:#e3e3e3;\nbackground-image:unset;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div id='quote-section'  class='avia-section av-1pypj7-95e77e9c142f171aad2e55224bed5f94 alternate_color avia-section-large avia-no-border-styling  avia-builder-el-36  el_after_av_section  el_before_av_section  avia-bg-style-scroll container_wrap fullsize'  ><div class='container av-section-cont-open' ><div class='template-page content  av-content-full alpha units'><div class='post-entry post-entry-type-page post-entry-971'><div class='entry-content-wrapper clearfix'>\n<div class='flex_column_table av-1mmojn-6ac45f50126d0d149702593746ecbbd2 sc-av_one_half av-equal-height-column-flextable'><div  class='flex_column av-1mmojn-6ac45f50126d0d149702593746ecbbd2 av_one_half  avia-builder-el-37  el_before_av_one_half  avia-builder-el-first  first no_margin flex_column_table_cell av-equal-height-column av-align-top  '     ><style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-1e5gw3-4b15690ca55da655e1a75e0398a5b090\">\n.avia-image-container.av-1e5gw3-4b15690ca55da655e1a75e0398a5b090 img.avia_image{\nbox-shadow:none;\n}\n.avia-image-container.av-1e5gw3-4b15690ca55da655e1a75e0398a5b090 .av-image-caption-overlay-center{\ncolor:#ffffff;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='avia-image-container av-1e5gw3-4b15690ca55da655e1a75e0398a5b090 av-styling-no-styling avia-align-center  avia-builder-el-38  avia-builder-el-no-sibling '   itemprop=\"image\" itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" ><div class=\"avia-image-container-inner\"><div class=\"avia-image-overlay-wrap\"><img decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\" class='wp-image-4271 avia-img-lazy-loading-not-4271 avia_image ' src=\"https:\/\/techleap.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/11\/MessageBird-Quote-2-500x418.webp\" alt='' title='MessageBird Quote 2'  height=\"418\" width=\"500\"  itemprop=\"thumbnailUrl\"  \/><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-4mtdn-948d47ebc6fc2c3dfdedcea90c8d1d26\">\n.flex_column.av-4mtdn-948d47ebc6fc2c3dfdedcea90c8d1d26{\npadding:30px 40px 40px 90px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='flex_column av-4mtdn-948d47ebc6fc2c3dfdedcea90c8d1d26 av_one_half  avia-builder-el-39  el_after_av_one_half  avia-builder-el-last  no_margin flex_column_table_cell av-equal-height-column av-align-top  '     ><p>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-1574q3-9f0e09a2e001766a42261d606b7ec8a9\">\n#top .av-special-heading.av-1574q3-9f0e09a2e001766a42261d606b7ec8a9{\npadding-bottom:10px;\n}\nbody .av-special-heading.av-1574q3-9f0e09a2e001766a42261d606b7ec8a9 .av-special-heading-tag .heading-char{\nfont-size:25px;\n}\n.av-special-heading.av-1574q3-9f0e09a2e001766a42261d606b7ec8a9 .av-subheading{\nfont-size:15px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='av-special-heading av-1574q3-9f0e09a2e001766a42261d606b7ec8a9 av-special-heading-h4 blockquote modern-quote  avia-builder-el-40  el_before_av_textblock  avia-builder-el-first  quotation'><h4 class='av-special-heading-tag'  itemprop=\"headline\"  >We were 120% that year as a company, so we felt quite good about it. And then Aaron came to me and said &#8211; \u2018Robert, stop feeling so good about yourself, when Airbnb was your scale, they were growing 500% YoY. So go back to work.<\/h4><div class=\"special-heading-border\"><div class=\"special-heading-inner-border\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><br \/>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-7y09v-85a906558c73a613a93910b655ec25c8 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock quote-bottom'  itemprop=\"text\" ><p><span style=\"font-family: maison-mono;color: #ff8000\">Robert Vis, CEO &amp; founder\u00a0 of MessageBird<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/p><\/div><\/div><!--close column table wrapper. Autoclose: 1 -->\n\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><!-- close content main div --><\/div><\/div>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-s7mh7-a472f4903b0017f20f82ab200b5449e2\">\n.avia-section.av-s7mh7-a472f4903b0017f20f82ab200b5449e2{\nbackground-color:#ffffff;\nbackground-image:unset;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div id='content-blog'  class='avia-section av-s7mh7-a472f4903b0017f20f82ab200b5449e2 alternate_color avia-section-default avia-no-border-styling  avia-builder-el-42  el_after_av_section  el_before_av_section  avia-bg-style-scroll container_wrap fullsize'  ><div class='container av-section-cont-open' ><div class='template-page content  av-content-full alpha units'><div class='post-entry post-entry-type-page post-entry-971'><div class='entry-content-wrapper clearfix'>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-llnrb50g-27d940511528e2c9c5bd745b6e0e54e0 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"What problem were you trying to solve with Bynder?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"How did you experience the process of finding the ultimate pizza recipe that you could scale for Magioni?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Looking back, what was the first MVP of a VanMoof bike and how did you know you have a product-market fit?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"It seems like you have developed different functionalities before you could actually go to market. Is that true? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:01:13&#093; Constantijn: What is the edgiest thing that happened in BUX? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:05:50&#093; Constantijn: How important is it for you to own and design the whole stack?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:19:34&#093; Constantijn: You did mention before that your investors have high expectations. Maybe we can explore a bit the relationship with investors. Are they pushing you in areas where you don't want to go or are you completely aligned? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"21:07 -As an investor, what makes you different now?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:17:46&#093; Constantijn: How did you manage to organise Booking.com as a full-scale, integrated solution? \">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:29:48&#093; Constantijn: You\u2019ve probably gone through a lot of challenges when scaling into different markets, having had to deal with different taxes and regulations. Did you consider those kinds of practical things beforehand or just went along with them?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"What were you doing at YC?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<h3>What were you doing at YC?<\/h3>\n<div>\n<p><b>00:34:04 &#8211;\u00a0<\/b>I was listening, meeting new clients, understanding their needs. When I started with\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ycombinator.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">YC<\/a>, I wanted to speak to every partner. As a\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ycombinator.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">YC<\/a>\u00a0participant, you get the chance to speak to a whole network of partners.<b>\u00a0And I wanted everyone to know my name, more importantly\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.messagebird.com\/en\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">MessageBird\u2019s<\/a>\u00a0name.\u00a0<\/b>I also tried to push hard into conquering the US market, but I failed, since we have been growing so fast that it would have been risky to move our operations to the US. To be fair, I think if the company was smaller, I would have made the move.\u00a0<b>Ultimately, we chose to stay here in the Netherlands, and we are very happy about it.\u00a0<\/b>Now we try to change the status quo here, which is also a lot of fun.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<article class=\"article-wide modular-push section\" data-section=\"\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"img\">\n<div class=\"media\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"&#091;00:33:25&#093; Constantijn: Do you have any lessons learned when it comes to hiring international talent?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Have you ever considered taking your product to a market that was more ready for you?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<article class=\"article-wide modular-push section\" data-section=\"Marleen Vogelaar - founder and CEO @Ziel &amp; co-founder @Shapeways\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<div class=\"text\">\n<div class=\"big\"><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"Key highlights\">\n<div class=\"c\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/section>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-lqdt50d6-0413e4cc4f776de298c12a7ade1bd564 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><h3>Let\u2019s talk a bit about raising capital. Can you give us the \u2018how, what, why, and when\u2019 of your funding strategy?<\/h3>\n<div>\n<p><strong>00:55:56<\/strong>\u00a0&#8211; I think the first thing that you need to have in order to get funding is\u00a0<b>ambition<\/b>, it\u2019s that part that people forget about. Because when you put money into another business, you want to be able to make 100x instead of 3x or 5x. So you need to have the ambition as a founder to want to get there because this will attract really really good investors.<\/p>\n<p>We had a story where we got a couple of acquisition offers, one of them being a very serious one from our main competitor. And we decided to say no. We just didn\u2019t want to sell, we were having too much fun. Plus we didn\u2019t get to 10x and 100x yet and we wanted to win, so we needed more capital.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/section>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-lqdt5ctx-757de89845982ddec8fe83684b238d33 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><div class=\"modular-text section\" data-section=\"If you could go back in time, with all the learnings that you now have, what would you say to yourself?\">\n<div class=\"c\">\n<h3>If you could go back in time, with all the learnings that you now have, what would you say to yourself?<\/h3>\n<div>\n<p><strong>1:07:01 &#8211;\u00a0<\/strong>There are so many mistakes and so many lessons learned that it is difficult to pinpoint specific ones. You fall, you should get up and keep moving forward. Frank Slootman has this great quote: &#8220;You are either in the elevator going down, you are standing still, or going up. You want to be in the elevator going up&#8221;. And this is my approach to most things in life and business. 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